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Ken Thompson recalls Unix's rowdy, lock-picking origins

172 points by dxs ago | 25 comments

bonoboTP |next [-]

It's interesting and heartwarming to see how similar the spirit of many successful software projects was. Creative collaboration, open play, extremely high trust, by people who really intrinsically love what they do.

It goes against so much of the MBA-worldview and bigcorp offices.

Unix, GNU, Linux, early Python, early Rockstar Games etc.

busfahrer |root |parent [-]

> early Rockstar Games

I did not expect to see them in this list, can you elaborate?

kyledrake |next |previous [-]

One of my favorite Ken Thompson hacks is one where he demonstrated how a backdoor could be introduced into a compiler in such a way that it would be difficult to notice https://wiki.c2.com/?TheKenThompsonHack

twotwotwo |next |previous [-]

The early users being patent secretaries, then "administrative kind of stuff, typing in trouble tickets," and adoption spreading because people liked it, is kind of cool. That creates different kinds of pressures than a big top-down-dictated project does, maybe healthy pressures: if you're going to play with a new idea about how things should work you can't break things; you need the thing running reliably for the people using it day-to-day. One way you can have huge projects fail is by fiddling around too long without contact with reality.

Given Linux's origins--"(just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu)"--it's interesting that early UNIX, in this telling, was also not the big professional push to build the OS of the future so much as just some folks trying to cobble something useful together (though of course, that they were playing around in Bell Labs gave their experiment some great advantages!).

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nunez |next |previous [-]

Okay, so weird and maybe unrelated question.

There's this hardcore punk album from 1981 called "This is Boston not LA." On it, there's a track called "Radio UNIX USA" by the FUs.

I can't find ANY origin stories about the title. The lyrics have nothing to do with UNIX either, weirdly enough. However, this band is from Boston, and MIT was doing UNIXy stuff at around this time.

Anyone have any clue as to the origin for this track?

retsibsi |root |parent [-]

The lyrics include the lines "But you got / No balls no balls no balls no balls no balls / No balls no balls no balls no balls no balls", so "Unix" is very likely a pun on "eunuchs". I'm not very familiar with US radio station naming conventions, but it seems like 4-letter call signs are common? So the origin could be as simple as converting "eunuchs" to a radio station call sign.

piperswe |root |parent [-]

All US FM radio station call signs start with either W or K (depending on location, mostly); an acronym starting with U wouldn't look like a call sign at all to me

noufalibrahim |next |previous [-]

It's interesting how so many of the early tools were designed to create "communities" (mesg, talk etc.). The semi open nature of the platform really encouraged it too. It's nice to be able to cd into someone else's home directory and look at their files.

anthk |root |parent [-]

That's ITS' philosophy and design, not Unix. Every serious Unix server would have every HOME dir with 0700 perms.

ITS had no permissions and encouraged collaboration since the beginning.

_joel |next |previous [-]

"Unix: A History and a Memoir, by Brian Kernihgan" is also an excellent read.

oersted |next |previous [-]

> Thompson remembers designing the Unix filesystem on a blackboard in an office with Rudd Canaday — using a special Bell Labs phone number that took dictation and delivered a typed-up transcript the next day.

Fancy :), this just became normal for the general public in the last couple of years. I assume of course that there was a secretary at the end of the line, not AI. But it's not completely unthinkable, Bell Labs did do very impressive things in text-to-speech at least.

HPsquared |root |parent [-]

My thoughts come more fluently as speech than in writing. With writing I'm always wanting to go back and edit, which is distracting.

embedding-shape |root |parent [-]

Yeah, something about the ephemeral nature of spoken words that makes it easier to ramble and therefore go into unexpected and more "natural" directions, compared to text which I also have the need to strictly control as I'm typing it.

Using dictation for when you really need to not go back and edit is really helpful.

kragen |next |previous [-]

I hadn't heard about the stolen security boots. It's interesting that it was resolved by a peer-to-peer negotiated settlement for the security guards to violate official corporate policy, rather than through management.

constantinum |next |previous [-]

Ken Thompson interviewed by Brian Kernighan at VCF East in 2019 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY6q5dv_B-o

tonypapousek |root |parent [-]

Love this one, well worth the watch

zabzonk |next |previous [-]

back in the days when beards were serious beards

eesmith |root |parent |next [-]

The serious beards were a century earlier, when the terms "sideburns" and "mutton chops" were coined, when Dickens had a doorknocker beard, when Thomas Nast drew Uncle Sam with a goatee, and very few men were clean-shaven.

One of the early pictures on that page shows Ken Thompson didn't have a beard in the early 1970s.

paulddraper |root |parent |next |previous [-]

That’s…sarcasm?

pjmlp |root |parent |next [-]

It is most likely, related to how growing one nowadays is a kind of hipster thing with the trendy barber shops decorated as if they were western barber shops scattered a bit all over the globe.

kragen |root |parent |next |previous [-]

You don't think Ken's beard was serious?

zabzonk |root |parent |previous [-]

Nope - simple observation!

noir_lord |root |parent |previous [-]

We still have serious beards kicking around.

The Linux folks, Andrew Kelley etc all qualify as True Beards.

zkmon |next |previous [-]

Birth of a serious change (and leadership) always requires questioning of status quo and probably a bit of rowdy, jungle instincts.

jeffrallen |previous [-]

If you want to see Ken's contributions to Go, they are all there in Git. There's some fun stuff there (no spoilers). :)