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Market design can feed the poor
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I did find it funny that multiple times it cited the medical resident match making algorithm as a success. Anyone who has gone through this process knows how horrible of a system it is. You essentially open an envelop that tells your job and location for the next 3-6 years. Hospitals + government love the system because they can artificially reduce resident wages, applicants cannot negotiate job offers.
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Clearly the root of the problem. Straw Manning "central planning" is a perverted way to characterize the failure.
sparselogic
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btreecat
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The committee being common to both solutions likely wasn't the problem given the increased success of the second solution. It was the ability to take into account the difference in resource need and utility. That could have been done by the first group, and would have likely produced a better result.
Central planning doesn't require you to ignore the needs of the people you're planning for.
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As per the article, the issue was that due to the food banks operating independently, the food banks were not relying information about their locally sourced food donations to Feeding America. Their solution is a fake currency, basically a way of rationing food from Feeding America. But of course they wouldn't put it in those terms, because of the socialist connotation of the word, "rationing". Instead they call it "market design". LOL. But the point is, Walmart which is more centralized than this operation, has no problem. So actually central planning isn't the issue here. The issue here is that you have a decentralized operation that necessitates a market mechanism.
Politics informed by ideological economists creates the problem. Economists informed by political ideologies create the solution to the problem that only exists because of their design.
sparselogic
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Just because the new approach accomplished the goals of the old one better, that doesn’t mean it took the old approach’s name. ;)
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holbrad
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The opposite is a far bigger issue.
btreecat
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I'm sorry but what's the basis for this claim?
yesfitz
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However, we're conflating the related problems of hunger, food insecurity, and malnutrition. Food insecurity at its most extreme will result in hunger (a lack of any food), but the affordable food that is available in food deserts (and at food banks) is often ultraprocessed and incompletely nutritious, which can lead to obesity.[2]
Largely, Americans don't seem to be affected by "hunger" as defined by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization[3], but are very affected by malnutrition and food insecurity (as defined by that same body).
1: https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statisti... 2: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9790279/#jhn12994-s... 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger#Definition_and_related_...
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SiempreViernes
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MrSkelter
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An inefficient system is always going to be ineffective. The author tries to posit that anything that isn’t market based is inherently inefficient and that their Chicago School solution is a success because it’s market based.
None of this is supported with evidence outside the new system working better than the old one.
Militaries efficiently allocate nutrition without markets (it’s the most important work they do) as do grocers.
There are a lot of ways you could improve on this, many not requiring the complexity and overhead of market based solutions.
jjk166
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I don't suppose anyone took a look at how that original system came into effect, or why it remained in place for decades. Based on what little was presented in the article, it seems the organization, and likely others in the same camp, are unfamiliar with and/or reluctant to employ continuous improvement techniques.
jimnotgym
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A stupid system was replaced by a slightly more effective one... and it was 'markets and economists' that did it! Pure propaganda.
Heres a more efficient system. How much does the food box they give out cost? Say $50? Just give the customers $50 and let them spend it. No more admin
Taek
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If everyone spent money like a rational, 100 IQ individual with a moderate amount of schooling on basic financial strategies, it'd be a lot easier to manage a population. Unfortunately, less than half of the population is 100 IQ, and in some areas less than 5% of the population understands a single high school course worth of financial management.
And then of course you have fundamentally irrational actors as well, like drug addicts. IQ and education don't help there, addictions are monsters that swallow people of all socio-economic varieties.
So you have to either let those people squalor, or find another solution.
MisterTea
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Which can be traded for money.
Believe me, I understand first hand how difficult a heavily addicted person can be. Recovery is a huge process that takes more than just giving someone a safe place to live and food.
kiba
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Then you can manage the special cases with specialists.
jimnotgym
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I'm sure we can all think of edge cases. I'm sure there are people who will trade the food for drugs some how. They probably need addiction and mental health help, rather than someone who 'knows what is good for them'
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delfinom
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It's a food bank network that uses the monetary donations it receives to support the logistics of moving hundreds of millions of pounds of food to food banks. The value of that food exceeds their monetary donations.
didibus
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In fact, one thing I'm confused about, and that's not very clear to me, it sounds like prior to this new system, each food bank would just receive a random selection of foods of a given weight. But with the new system, they can choose exactly what foods they want to receive.
If so, this is a huge difference that has nothing to do with the bidding. A lot of the inefficiencies were probably due to this alone. You'd be getting things you don't need and not those you do and it created waste.
Now food banks could pick and choose what they needed.
This even justifies the introduction of bidding. Because once you have a proper catalogue and food banks can choose what they want, you have the problem of what if they all want the same limited quantity items?
You can make it first come first served. Now food banks would compete on being the quickest to enter their order. Or you can do other things, they went with bidding.
From that angle, bidding actually can look a lot fairer and "socialist" than "first come first served".