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C f x y = f y x
is shown on this page as as y F x, which I can only make sense of by assuming that F is an infix function.
In Haskell you could use infix notation to define C f x y = y `f` x
but you can't use capitalize function arguments.
siruwastaken
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Zhyl
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This was developed by some names that may be more familiar (Haskell Curry, Alan Turing, Kurt Gödel, Bertrand Russell). It was proved to be identical to both the lambda calculus and the Turing machine and became the basis for modern computing.
What we see here are some of those key building blocks that were studied in the 20s and 30s and have been now applied to modern programming languages.
Functional languages use them a lot because you can express a lot of things as just combinations and compositions of other functions. Array languages often take this to an extreme by expressing complex numeric algorithms with only a few symbols.
What you see above is the logic/processing order of how those functions fit together. For example you can express a mean as something like `(+/#)` - a 5 letter anonymous function that can be applied to an array - because of all the applications and combinations being implicit in the structure of the language, as denoted in the link.
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A while back I built all the way up to FizzBuzz from just S and K combinators. Took days of doing all the math by hand, lol.
Here's my write up of doing that. I did it in JavaScript because most combinator articles online were prohibitively academic for my layman mind. https://joshmoody.org/blog/programming-with-less-than-nothin...
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BQN, another array language has a page of documentation describing the same concept for their language with a bit more explanation for the combinator newcomer: https://mlochbaum.github.io/BQN/tutorial/combinator.html
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general_reveal
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travisjungroth
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These are functions. I don’t know your level of knowledge in math or programming and what that would mean to you. Here’s an example.
double(x) -> x*2
So, double(3) = 6. You can’t solve for x because x doesn't have a value. It’s a placeholder for whatever you put in.
These combinators are functions that take other functions and return them unmodified. “Unmodified” is a little misleading because it can do things like drop inputs.
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Fix f = {f(x): f(x) = x for all x in the domain of f}
So if f is a function or a group action or whatever, the fixed-point set of f is all points x in the domain of f such that f(x)=x. ie the points which are unchanged by x. So if f is a reflection, the points which sit on the axis of reflection.
The fixed-point combinator is of particular relevance to this site because it's often called the y combinator.
Zhyl
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The first example, I, is an identity function. It takes y and returns y.
The second, K, is a constant which takes X and y and returns x.
This gets more complicated as you go along. The idea is that you get rid of a lot of the syntax for composition and have it all be implicit by what you put next to each other (given APL programs are usually one long line of a bunch of different symbols all representing functions).
observationist
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The y combinator is this: λf.(λx.x x)(λx.f(x x))
Lambda diagrams get you visualizations like this:
https://tromp.github.io/cl/diagrams.html
When considering logic and functions, when thinking in the space of combinators, you can ask questions like "What is Plus times Plus" and have a sensible result. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcVA8Nj6HEo
Combinators are awesome.
The site linked by OP is a specific collection of combinators with bird names, riffing on the "To Mock a Mockingbird" puzzle book and subsequent meme of giving combinators bird names.
laszlokorte
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In short a combinator is a pure function that accesses only identifiers that are provided as arguments.
Length(x,y) { sqrt(xx + yy) } is not a combinator because it relies on global definitions for plus, times and sqrt.
But foo(x, y, b, u, v) { v(b(u(x), u(y))) } is a combinator because it only composes functions that are given as arguments.
Foo(3,5,+,square,sqrt) would result in the same value as length(3,5) so foo can be regarded as capturing the compositional structure of the euclidean distance calculation.
jb1991
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roadside_picnic
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Technically you cannot implement a proper Y-combinator in Lisp (well, I'm sure in Common Lisp and Racket there is some way) because the classic Y-combinator relies on lazy, not strict, evaluation. Most of the "Y-combinators" people have implemented in Lisp/Scheme/JavaScript/etc are more accurately described as the "applicative order Y-combinator" (also Z-combinator)
Funnily enough, you also cannot* implement the Y-combinator in Haskell (probably the most popular language with lazy evaluation) because the type system will not be happy with you (the Y-combinator, by it's nature, is untyped).
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So combinator logic starts with a really simple language, based on a small alphabet of primitive combinators. You can see a bunch listed on the webpage:
I, K, W, C, B, Q, ....
These are the primitive bits of syntax. The only other feature in the language is the ability to apply one combinator to another combinator. You write an application of a combinator "x" to another combinator "y" as "x y", and for convenience, you treat these applications as left associative, so "x y z" means "(x y) z": that is, first apply y to x, and then apply z to the resulting combinator.Two typical combinators are K and S, with which you can form more complex combinators like
K K
S K
K K K
K (K K)
K (S K)
...Combinators generally come with simplification rules, and the ones for K and S are:
K x y = x
S f g x = f x (g x)
With these, we can start doing interesting reductions like: S K K x = K x (K x) = x
Now the weird fact: we're suddenly Turing Complete. It turns out that every possible computation is expressible just by building a big combinator out of K and S and applying those two simplification rules. No other machinery is needed.K and S are not the only combinators with this property, and others form an adequate Turing Complete basis.
If you've heard of the Curry-Howard correspondence (Curry was responsible for combinatory logic), then combinators provide probably the simplest example of it, since if you give combinators types, you realise you are working with what's called a "Hilbert style" deduction system for propositional logic, which is the simplest sort of formal logical system. Indeed:
1. Hilbert's first two axioms for his version of the calculus are exactly the types for K and S above
2. K and S are invocations of these axioms
3. Application is modus ponens
4. The combinator S K K above corresponds to the proof that p → p.
5. The simplification of S K K x is proof normalisation (if you ever see the proof S K K x for some proof x, you should simplify it to just the proof x).
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rdevilla
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Eh, I don't need to imagine; we're still stuck at that same level of infantilism. Instead of actually graduating to higher order atoms and primitives of thought though, we can just have the AI slop out another 100k LOC. Then the system will have so much incidental complexity that it becomes impossible to distill out its essence, because there no longer is one.
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momentoftop
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I : a -> a
I x = x
K : a -> b -> a
K x y = x
W : (a -> a -> b) -> a -> b
W f x = f x x
C : (a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c
C f x y = f y x
B : (a -> b) -> (c -> a) -> c -> b
B f g x = f (g x)
Q : (a -> b) -> (b -> c) -> a -> c
Q f g x = g (f x)
There are, however, combinators that do self-application (crucially used in the definition of the Y combinator) and these do not have simple types.