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European Money Pours into Palantir
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The catchphrase "Follow the money" originated in a docuseries related to Nixon and the watergate scandal, but was also Giovanni Falcone's investigative method, based on tracing Mafia through their money laundering initiatives.
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It took years of activism and voting with our money to get banks, pension funds and similar institutions to stop funding cluster munitions, land mines, nukes, oil, tabacco. Now big tech and some AI companies are on the radar.
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https://apnews.com/article/poland-land-mines-ottawa-conventi...
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Biological and chemical weapons could help you win, nuclear weapons could help you win. We don't use this stuff for a reason.
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nradov
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There is also a difference between why we fight and how we fight. Fighting in self defence does not give a state the right to conduct a war in any way it chooses.
There are numerous ongoing conflicts in which we've seen states shed hard-won agreements on how wars should be fought. It's an incredibly dangerous trend which is leading us into a new era of horror.
Where would you put the limits on Ukraine's actions? What is beyond the pale?
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The issue with this tech is that they - at least historically - didn't have an expiration date. So if that war ends and you let your children play in the woods... Maybe occasionally one won't be coming back anymore.
That's the reason why they got a bad image. Because that's literally what happened post ww2 - for decades.
Maybe nowadays they could built them with a forced timer for exploding - if they did, great! If not, your descendants may consider you insane for that opinion in a few decades
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Self-destructing mines are also used, with timers set to explode after deployment. There's some description of these, and problems with them, here: <https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2022-07/understanding-landmines>.
Other capabilities under the rubric "smart mine" are also possible: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_mine>.
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And yes, yes, Enemies Lists are fraught with problems and have a history of eating themselves, etc. But the one thing I know is worse is not trying.
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tclancy
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On edit: it would be nice when these GOTCHAs are offered, if the offerer stopped and asked themselves, "Did centuries of colonialism denying education to the natives have any bearing on what I am asking?"
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I know you meant this sarcastically, but unironically yes. GDP has more than doubled since the end of apartheid, and it has the strongest economy on the continent
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https://mybroadband.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/DG...
Especially the last 20 years, it is falling off a cliff in relative performance. Yeah the post-apartheid peak was 10% above the apartheid peak from the 80s.... unfortunately if you can only get 10% better in 40 years it actually represents a massive failure relative to the rest of the world.
I'd agree that apartheid was bad, but it seems to be coupled with other factors that led them to fall behind on the world stage. I'm guessing the kind of ideology that accompanies literal filled stadiums shouting "kill the boer farmer" is not so far fetched from the kind of ideology that resulted in Zimbabwe going for broke.
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At least we have finally settled that.
>I'm guessing the kind of ideology that accompanies literal filled stadiums shouting "kill the boer farmer" is not so far fetched from the kind of ideology that resulted in Zimbabwe going for broke.
Zimbabwe's failure is pretty clear: total corruption under one man. South Africa, post-Apartheid, has an unhappy history of corruption as well. But it is confounding how one reaches for the "anti-white racism" explanation before considering how centuries of colonial "oppression" (which a fun euphemism for violence and denying education) might lead to a situation where government functions poorly when you abandon ship and leave your government setup in place for people with no experience and no mentor to figure out.
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mothballed
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>>"Kill the boer"
"Kill" doesn't sound like mentorship. You can argue they just mean rip them out of power/office, which they have done, but the ANC's message has not been "lets use the colonizers as our mentors."
>Zimbabwe's failure is pretty clear: total corruption under one man.
I don't think it's that simple. They tried to basically replace the colonial-style farming model almost overnight, handing over agriculture to black citizens. They tried to throw out the bathwater of "colonialization" while thinking they could keep the baby with it. One could argue South Africa is trying some similar things at slow speed and seeing if the trainwreck works better if you play it in slow motion.
If they were really just trying to replicate the success of before except without apartheid, I don't know how you can even do that while simultaneously promising all the socialist reform and goodies of the ANC. It's like having the new guy show up and training him, and he's tell you that you're wrong and he has no idea how to do it but know's you're doing it wrong. If your goal is be mentored you'll have to get proficient at what your mentor is doing so you have some frame of reference to see if your "improvements" even work or are the reason why you're failing relative to your mentor.
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s/Meta/FAANG
Decoupling Meta and Palantir from your 401k would not derisk your retirement from surveillance technology. You'd have to kick out Microsoft and Apple and Google next, at which point you've already forfeit most of your portfolio's growth.
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In any case these same governments are probably also approving the purchase of Huawei cell tower equipment.
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That's the other major flaw in the "decouple from the US with European alternatives" marketing campaign. These "US" companies don't have any more loyalty to the US than they have to your country. Their investors are from all over the world. Their employees and executives are from all over the world. If your "European alternatives" to a technology-enabled total surveillance state are owned by the same people, isn't the entire conversation silly? Are you arguing over whether the PO Box is in Delaware or in Germany?
NATO is more obedient to US intelligence than Palantir. Palantir gives orders to US intelligence. The purpose of NATO is to indulge the unearned sense of superiority of EU/British citizens and their denial that the reason they were partially occupied by Russia is because they launched a war of extermination on Russia that killed 20 million civillians. It indulges it in order to manipulate guilty Europeans to do what Palantir wants.
The paranoia that has been whipped up in the European middle-class about Russia is similar in nature to the paranoia that gets whipped up in the US about black Americans. White Americans imagine that black people are going to rise up and kill them all because they can't help but imagine how they would feel about being enslaved and having the children of those enslavers walking around with the fruits of that, calling them lazy. Non-Jewish Europeans imagine how they would feel if the Soviet Union had invaded Europe, walked into tens or hundreds of villages, rounded up all the citizens and put them into a barn, then set the barn on fire. "The USSR must want to kill us all," they think.
It's only natural that they call the Americans to save them. We literally preserved Spain (the initial event of the war) for the fascists, and West Germany for the Nazis that we didn't feel were valuable enough to import to the US itself.
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I will not bother addressing most of the things you listed that require a perspective shift, because I am not trying to start a debate or conjure the ire of people's cognitive dissonance; but knowing quite a bit about NATO, let me just put it this way; in most abusive and delusional dynamics, what one party believes is true, is usually really not only advantageous to the other party, but usually also not even close to the perceived nature of the relationship. European NATO "patterns" don't get to take their families to the USA for government subsidized vacations and even live in the USA just out of the generosity of our hearts.
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They’re a guilt-free hands-washing service.
You pay them money, and they absolve you of your sins. That’s what Peter Thiel is on about.
That’s the technological progress he’s charioting us into his political theocracy with. The ability to label anyone that stands in his way “the Antichrist” which is just another loophole exploitation of the patriot act.
An ai company lol
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Currently at 1 point but that’s because at least two people upvoted it and two people downvoted it
If I’m wrong, call me out.
Am I wrong??????????
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TallGuyShort
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I would feel icky investing in them but any comparison to junk bonds would be the last of my concerns.