Astro Hacker News - Atlassian Rovo Exfiltrates Data, Bypassing Controls

htrp |next [-]

I feel like prompt armor writes the exact same blog post for every agentic tool because they all suffer from the ignore previous instructions prompt injections.

https://www.promptarmor.com/resources/claude-cowork-exfiltra...

https://www.promptarmor.com/resources/google-antigravity-exf...

https://promptarmor.substack.com/p/data-exfiltration-from-sl...

https://www.promptarmor.com/resources/gpt-for-google-sheets-...

https://www.promptarmor.com/resources/notion-ai-unpatched-da...

https://www.promptarmor.com/resources/ramps-sheets-ai-exfilt...

https://www.promptarmor.com/resources/superhuman-ai-exfiltra...

nemomarx |root |parent [-]

How could they not? If some lab had a method to make really secure guard rails or avoid prompt injection thoroughly I think they would be trumpeting it. But the basic mechanics of language models are vulnerable to this unless you can always be sure the inputs are from a safe user imo

PokestarFan |root |parent [-]

If you want AI to be useful it will eventually encounter untrusted content, such as via web search. I think things like web search should probably be run on a different sandboxed AI whose task is to write a summary that is then ingested by the main agent, similar to how existing sandboxing already works, but this would diminish the usefulness quite a bit.

savanaly |root |parent [-]

>I think things like web search should probably be run on a different sandboxed AI whose task is to write a summary that is then ingested by the main agent, similar to how existing sandboxing already works, but this would diminish the usefulness quite a bit.

It also wouldn't work. You would simply mindjack the outer AI and have it mindjack the inner AI in turn with its summary. Nesting AIs can't fix the malicious input problem.

hahahaa |next |previous [-]

> The victim uploads a file to Rovo that contains a hidden prompt injection

Yeah this attack is possible on all modern agentic systems.

* Access to your private data

* Exposure to untrusted content

* The ability to externally communicate in a way that could be used to steal your data

(https://simonw.substack.com/p/the-lethal-trifecta-for-ai-age...)

And blocking it wholesale reduces usefulness of the agent so it is a tradeoff.

pram |next |previous [-]

I can’t get over how bad “Rovo” is. Somehow more aggressive and useless than Microsoft putting “Copilot” everywhere.

It’s objectively worse than using something like Cowork + MCP, AND they injected it into every single page on JIRA and Confluent which has made web browsing way slower while all the junk is loading.

jerf |root |parent |next [-]

Rovo has my favorite example of AI misfeature. Just checked, it's still there in Cloud Confluence. In Edit mode for a page, you can select a range of text and a menu will pop up, with Ask Rovo being a drop down on it. There's a few good options... Improve Formatting, translation options, Make Shorter...

... but it also has Make Longer. Yes, a built-in feature to type some text in, and the use the mighty power of AI to bloat it.

Naturally, you can repeat this process several times on the same text, for your own little personal demonstration of what model collapse looks like in real time.

edaemon |root |parent |next [-]

Don't worry, you can use Rovo to summarize the document! That way you can get the information your coworker wanted to share but filtered through a game of teLLMephone.

perpetuallunch |root |parent [-]

We’ve gone from proof-of-work to proof-of-no-work.

pan69 |root |parent |previous [-]

What's even worse is that, when you do this on the description of a story or task, everytime it comes up with a slightly different format of how it's going to layout the "enhanced" description.

verdverm |root |parent |previous [-]

Have you seen the markdown agent instructions they provide in their new agentic `twg` cli? 70k tokens one average, there are more than one...

Rovo is the worse Ai I have used, I suggested they stop trying and let us have model choice. Save money and don't do things out of their skill sets

john_strinlai |next |previous [-]

~every ai vulnerability write up boils down to "just ask it do to the thing", but with fancier terms like "indirect prompt injection".

ExoticPearTree |next |previous [-]

Rovo is funny. It downloads everything it can do Atlassian servers for "analysis". And you're pretty much screwed if you link it to Google Docs or Sharepoint. How do I know this? "Why is an AWS IP downloading all our docs?" question I got about a month ago.

alexaholic |next |previous [-]

Fwiw Rovo is built on top of Claude

consp |next |previous [-]

It's nice they force rovo now for document/version diff's. Because you need to burn down the rainforest for those. (sarcasm ... for obvious reasons)

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mvdtnz |next |previous [-]

> Note: This attack succeeds even if an organization has disabled web search for Rovo. This is because the web search setting fails to remove the tool for opening the search results.

Wow, great work Atlassian. The web search setting does not disable web search.

formerly_proven |next |previous [-]

> Rovo's URL retrieval tool is insecure: there are no protections against opening a URL that has been dynamically created by the agent. Here, Rovo is manipulated to append sensitive data to an attacker's URL. When Rovo calls the insecure tool to open the URL, the attacker's site logs the request, including the appended sensitive data.

automatic6131 |next |previous [-]

Ahh yes: "when you Rovo, you oh-no my data"

khanan |next |previous [-]

Atlassian has gone from a trusted enterprise-partner to a complete shit-show in just 18 months. This surprises nobody. There will be classes taught in how to fuck up a good business and Atlassian will be the prime example.

Regards, /someone who migrated 3500 users from Atlassians products recently due to their "cloud only"-bullshit.

yborg |root |parent |next [-]

You'd have to look at their profit numbers. They have a huge captive base of customers, like Adobe it might take decades for things to get bad enough and alternatives to arise before their profitability is impacted. And the executives who benefit will have cashed out long before then.

walrus01 |root |parent [-]

Recently saw an example of somebody who vibe coded a tool to mass export the contents of a 'Confluence' wiki into an instance of self hosted mediawiki, preserving everything.

Mediawiki as a whole has a feature set that 95% of organizations will only scratch the surface of. There's a ridiculous number of possible plugins and customization if you have somebody who knows what they're doing with it.

The majority of companies that need an internal KB/wiki do not have as complex needs or use cases as wikipedia itself or the wikimedia foundation.

busterarm |root |parent [-]

I've been at more than one company that migrated _from_ MediaWiki to Confluence. It usually boils down to "non-developers have to use this and Markdown+plugins is hard".

Turns out no matter how much better the thing is, the users have to know what they're doing more than the operators do.

zelphirkalt |root |parent |next |previous [-]

They were not trustworthy years ago already. Using Atlassian products, one has had to look out for disastrous announcements about their customer data usage way before 18 months ago, especially, if running a business inside the EU, and at least trying to adhere to data protection laws.

gbalduzzi |root |parent |next |previous [-]

I started to consider it a show show way earlier than 18 months ago. Jira is so terrible to use that it is hard to phantom how they are able to be paid for their product

mosura |root |parent [-]

Jira is how it is because almost any product that grows to be that flexible will develop the same problems.

They failed to rearchitect it to something suitable for the inherent flexibility though, so it remains a disaster area, but one that is uniquely able to fit the whims of any manager that can then mandate it for everyone else.

chollida1 |root |parent |previous [-]

if you track their 5 year stock price you'll find the market fully agrees with you. It was $458 in 2021 and is $112 now.

The market caught on quickly that Atlassian's software fits into the group of software like Oracle or SAP that no one uses by choice and only uses because it was forced on them.

shagie |root |parent [-]

> ... Many forms of issue tracking have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that Jira is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that Jira is the worst of the issue trackers except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time; but there is the broad feeling in our company that the people should track, continuously track, and that client opinion, expressed by all project management means, should shape, guide, and control the actions of management who are their masters and not their servants. ...

-- Churchill, House of Commons, 11 November 1947

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