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SparrowMap – Cameras that watch government vehicles
angeldimitrov94
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Teever
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It's a very important tool to figure out which people in positions of authority are coordinating for authoritarian purposes or just plain old corruption.
I'm instantly suspicious of anyone in government who is critical of this idea.
What are they hiding?
ToucanLoucan
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We don't need a citizen surveillance network, we already know what they're doing, perhaps not all of it but far more than enough to justify mass civil unrest. They just figured out all they had to do was get us exhausted, overwhelmed and of course fighting each other enough to make certain we wouldn't. The globe is various kinds of prison for the majority of humanity, in degrees of horror, and a theme park for the 1%.
Teever
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The overall goal with these kinds of projects should be to maintain parity between the citizenry and people in positions of power.
Even if it's little stuff like a person calling out "Hey how come he doesn't have to wait in line?" when small town city councillor gets special treatment at a local restaurant. We want to close the gap between the every-man and people with power wherever we see it.
In the bigger picture as it pertains to this kind of sousveillance introducing as much friction in these kinds of things as possible causes the people you're opposing to need to exert more force to do what they're doing and it distracts them and throws them off guard. It's a death by a thousand cuts sort of thing.
Take the opposition to datacentres and the protests and resistance to it, if the protesters really wanted to gum up the works they'd target the finite number of anonymous professionals who are involved in the approval and development process for these megaprojects. There are a lot of paper-pushing accountants, lawyers, and civil engineers who just want to cash a fat cheque and make it to retirement who will back the fuck out the second they hear about people publishing the full org-chart and comings and goings of the professionals involved in these projects.
ToucanLoucan
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Oh for sure, I'm not disagreeing with the principle being discussed, I'm saying in our current social moment this feels like saying the floor trim on the bridge of the Titanic needs some paint.
The president has been convicted of 39 felonies and is (trying to?) sell advance access to his stock market manipulating tweets for a subscription.
Parity at this point feels like a joke. I'd settle for literally any consequences at all for someone in power right now.
Teever
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Vibecode an app that builds a list of corrupt law enforcement officials and that finds their mistresses or other unscrupulous behaviour. Have it determine when the exact most damaging moment to release this information to their families and /or the public is.
Agentic muckraking.
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Every administration since JFK has been awash in corruption. No exceptions. America hasn't had an America-first President since JFK. The people who obsess over Trump need to read 1984 again and pay particular attention to Emmanuel Goldstein.
Our awful government includes most of Congress, 93% of which take pro-Israel bribes. If you want to find the problem, look East at our mortal enemy that brands itself as our greatest ally in their hasbara.
dylan604
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The anti-flock movement is real, but half baked ideas don't really serve a purpose to actually doing anything. Not sure how I feel about those destroying Flock cameras, but that's action moving the needle a lot further than establishing an entirely new anti-Flock camera network.
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dylan604
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judge2020
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Flock operates on the foundational constitutional model of "Our cameras are in public, there is not an expectation of privacy in public, therefore we can capture anything/everything our camera sees in any way possible" (including LPR logging and even video recording).
And thus, so does any other system of recording public activity and processing/storing data collected from it.
It quite literally does not matter what people do or don't do with the information. If someone does use the information for something illegal (like stalking) them the police aught to take a police report filed by said Flock employee seriously and perform an investigation within the bounds of the law and constitution.
AuthAuth
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bloqs
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dylan604
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Nobody will care that Stan from Flock drove his sedan to pick up his kid from soccer practice, stopped at the store to pick up milk, and then drove home.
That's not how people are using Flock data, and it's not the same. The people abusing Flock access are the people abusing people. So the equivalent would be for people using the anti-Flock employee data would be harassing those employees. Not sure what that is "telling".
chaps
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Have a glance:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/hj4jtcag2i9qvl4sj6mg2/AF6c9r7...
judge2020
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darksim905
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chaps
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"This would still identify officers blocks or get within a couple blocks of their home for those with take home cars. Would speeds of 15 miles per hour or more but only pings on the :30 minute mark, so one ping per hour from 2019 until the end of April work for you?"
Even gave them this SQL to run to get around that problem but they never got back to me, heh:
WITH immobile_pings as (
select count(*), vehicleid, round(xcoord::numeric, 3) as xcoord_rounded,
round(ycoord::numeric,3) as ycoord_rounded,date_trunc('day', datetime) as day
FROM gps_table
WHERE speed = 0
GROUP BY
vehicleid,
xcoord_rounded,
ycoord_rounded,
day
having count(*) > 1440), --4 hours
day_counts as (
select count(*), vehicleid, xcoord_rounded, ycoord_rounded
from immobile_pings
group by vehicleid, xcoord_rounded, ycoord_rounded having count(*) > 15 -- 15 days
)
select gps_table.* from gps_table s inner join day_counts i
ON i.vehicleid = s.vehicleid
AND array[round(s.xcoord::numeric, 3), round(s.ycoord::numeric, 3)] != array[i.xcoord_rounded,i.ycoord_rounded]
AND speed > 15; -- 15mph
nickandbro
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ButlerianJihad
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https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/His_Eye_Is_on_the_Sparrow
I sing because I’m happy,
I sing because I’m free,
For His eye is on the sparrow,
And I know He watches me.
ImPostingOnHN
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tamimio
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bbor
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To get a bit more on-topic: this is a perfect example of the missing scale in HN's "no politics" rule. There are facets of politics that you simply cannot ignore while still being an individually-minded technologist (closest thing this community has to a shared ethos).