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US loses one-fourth of drone fleet as Iran war drains its arsenal
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This works fine from 1980-2020ish when you're fighting limited intensity conflicts against countries you have uncontested air superiority over.
But with cheap drone technology and other innovations of the last decade it's never been easier to be a near-peer adversary. The incumbent powers of the world have vast expensive arsenals of weapons designed to fight the last war.
That being said, I know that the US Military internally has been very well informed of the realities of what a war against Iran would look like for decades. It's been well understood for a long time that decapitation strikes against Iran won't work because their military and paramilitary organizations are deliberately composed of highly autonomous units. You could have asked the janitor at the US Army War College in January 2025 how a war against Iran would go, and he would have told you it would be insanely costly, that Iran holds a indisputable advantage in a defensive conflict and that they have numerous strategic cards to play like blockading Hormuz, attacking the Gulf states, and drawing support from the US's larger geopolitical allies.
Ironically, the US had all of this intelligence within their institutions but ignored it. They ignored it precisely because the US is vulnerable to decapitation strikes.
nradov
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_doctor_love
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Our current US administration is woefully incompetent.
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Of course plenty of people expected it would happen the way it did, but it was not unanimous at all. I have no doubt many in the general staff were rudely surprised.
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sudosysgen
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Also, the US military is still procuring broadly similar drones, and will be for a while.
The lack of survivability is not the fault of the drone design. The design set it has is to have high unrefueled endurance, a medium payload capacity, and a reasonably low cost. The nature of technology means that to do so it is going to be relatively slow and have a large wingspan.
Additionally, they were lost in missions which require loitering in predictable patterns near known targets, in which they were shot down mostly by optically guided missiles. There is no indication that there is an alternative design that would be more survivable. The only hope is that there would be one that is significantly cheaper, but that is not obviously true.
So all in all, these are valuable losses. When they are replaced, they are very likely to be replaced by a substantially similar design at a significant fraction of the cost of acquisition.
I'm really no fan of the US MIC, but the MALE/HALE drones are actually a decent design. While they are more expensive than they should be, they are and have to be pretty big aircraft with sophisticated sensors, and so a decent chunk of the cost really is justified. Chinese/Russian/Iranian equivalents are broadly similar in design and cost 25-50% as much, which is about what you'd expect.
All in all, the attrition is not necessarily unexpected but it is a real problem, will have real and expensive consequences, and ultimately reflects a tactical failure in how this war was prosecuted which is a material factor in the current bad outcome. Many people really did think they would be able to survive enough to loiter around the missile cities as a backup in case they failed to be drstroyed, and that turned out to be wrong.
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Amazing and yet not at all surprising... entirely predictable given what lead up to it.
If someone wrote a story 10+ years ago about how a draft-dodging nepo baby reality TV actor who had never successfully ran any organization himself that wasn't a complete grift improbably became a world leader and he hired another TV personality with no leadership experience to run the US military based entirely off of loyalty and the fact that he physically looks the part of someone who might play the role of SecDef in a Tom Clancy movie adaptation, you wouldn't accept the plot if the outcome wasn't a complete trainwreck.