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Red queen hypothesis – A new way forward for self-improving AI
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I can definitely see the argument that this allows us to train models faster and converge faster, because if you scale difficulty of evaluation alongside the learners capabilities, it spends a lot less time floudering around. It basically works out to be loss minimization through strategic ordering of the training data. Is that the goal here though? Or is the goal recursive self-improvement and solving problems that are currently outside of reach? Because it doesn't feel like the latter would be possible with this design.
For example, how do you quantify "the evaluation gets -harder- as the agent gets better". Harder, how? In what direction? Via what criteria or measure?
AlexAndreiIacob
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For now, we have looked into composite objectives trading off performance on the ground truth against the ability to reject generated samples produced in earlier epochs. For example, when using this system to co-evolve paper writers and reviewers, we reuse generated papers that were accepted by the reviewer of epoch t as adversarial samples in epoch t+1. Then, new reviewers are rewarded for rejecting AI-generated papers. You can have ground-truth performance account for x of the utility of a reviewer, with the adversarial objective then providing 1-x.
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foo12bar
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robotresearcher
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There was lots of discussion of these ideas in the 1990s. In those days we trained very small NNs - tens of nodes - by evolving their weights and topologies. A run could take days on a workstation of the time.
This particular paper is about co-evolving predator and prey, where the behavior of each is the ‘evaluation’ of the other.
https://infoscience.epfl.ch/entities/publication/a65d0679-68...
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and your quote:
> This particular paper is about co-evolving predator and prey, where the behavior of each is the ‘evaluation’ of the other.
Both sound like the GAN approach that was popularized a decade ago and kinda the start of the "genAI" boom.
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JacobAsmuth
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What happens if you apply the method to non-recursive self-improving AI agents? Can they continue improving themselves? Or does the recursive self improvement only recursively self improve AI agents which are themselves recursively self-improving?
PeterStuer
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AlexAndreiIacob
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We agree that the methods used have been extensively researched across a wide variety of domains.
richardfey
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This quote should have been highlighted earlier in the article.
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https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/03/12/key-findi...