Astro Hacker News - LLM Agents Play Pokemon Showdown

minimaxir |next [-]

As a tangent, there has recently been drama with AI and Pokemon Showdown because someone trained a bot (using standard reinforcement learning + a rewrite of the Pokemon battle engine to Rust for max self-play parallelism) that is apparently good enough to get to the top of the leaderboard.

grabnero |root |parent [-]

Yeah I saw that too which was partly the inspo for this experiment. I feel like its kind of getting to a place like in chess where AI is getting better and while theres alot of drama right now, I feel like it'll be something like stockfish in the future

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jfreds |next |previous [-]

Did you try out different reasoning levels? Wondering if messaging is basically a proxy for additional reasoning

pgn |next |previous [-]

what was the selection for the teams? random per round? how does it play against people in ladder?

grabnero |root |parent [-]

Yeah! So I did teams from a fixed, random seeded pool and then would rerun it with the switched teams. It also doesn't play against ladder yet but I played against it and it's not horrible. It plays better than an amateur but I was able to beat it a good amount

doctorpangloss |next |previous [-]

Pokémon Showdown isn't a game so much as it is competitive Wiki reading.

grabnero |root |parent [-]

Not going to lie I agree lol but still interesting to see

deadbabe |previous [-]

Jev will give better results on this kind of thing.

nico |root |parent |next [-]

For sure there are many better models for this use case[0]

At the same time, it’s interesting seeing how generally capable language models/LLMs/agents/harnesses are getting

We’ll probably see a lot more experiments and benchmarks like these in the near future

0: simple classifiers can play quite a few game, including Doom https://playground.jeffyclassify.com/#doom

grabnero |root |parent |previous [-]

Yeah Jev can play it but Jev cant communicate with its teammate in the 2v2 + it cant reason and is just a decision model

nico |root |parent [-]

I agree with you

> but Jev cant communicate

However, it can chat https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49778162

Not very well of course :)