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We're training a Figma-fluent editing model
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For context, this blog was released the same day Canva made their announcement for Brush, which looks to be further along in this area: https://www.canva.com/newsroom/news/canva-brush/
I'm glad Figma is pushing in this area. I do think that Figma has one of the best UI datasets out there in the world, and for the most part they've been sitting on it letting it get unused. Excited to see where they take this, but I do think they should be looking at image models in addition to LLM-based edit models (I'm biased as I left figma to start a image-mode-based UI design tool) as I find they're more capable in this area.
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We're going to push this to feature and UI/UX parity, spin up an open source Raft/Paxos collaboration server, and connect it with open source cloud and local compute.
Same thing for Canva.
It's not so much that I'm spearheading it. The community is jumping onto this motion quickly.
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Bring that layer up, move this box, etc
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https://youtu.be/hHwjceFcF2Q?is=GWE74YfHzoEDaiWL
Ed: arguably there's some interesting bits in that scene beyond foreshadowing dejected designers slumped in a recliner, sipping cheap whiskey in front of a screen, adjusting pixel perfect layout across multiple devices using only a rasping monotone voice...
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I haven't edited anything manually in Figma for a while now other than small tweaks.
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In my experience, Figma Agent and Figma's MCP leave something to be desired. I'm sure Figma Agent is useful for people who haven't used Claude Code or similar before, but it really requires most of your product's context to exist in Figma for it to do well.
As soon as your product's context exists out of Figma, then it starts to drift and hallucinate its own styles. Using the MCP with an AI that has access to your code provides better results, but even it will have trouble remembering what page I'm asking it to edit.
I know they're trying to address this by adding features such as guidelines and specs, along with linking your Figma files to GitHub repos, but my complaint with these features is a lot of the companies I have worked for do not use the very specific tech stack that Figma supports with these features. If it's anything like code connect, it may take years to get more broad support. Every company I have worked for is a C# Microsoft/Azure house.
This does not help with my broader frustration with Figma which is there is a lack of focus/vision. They're trying to compete on all fronts by developing all these different products/features and it doesn't really feel like they have a cohesive story for what the future or product design is. Granted, I think most of us in this industry don't either, but when am I supposed to use Figma Make vs. Figma Agent vs. Code layers?
They keep blurring the line between them when in all honesty I'm more interested in just using the AI agent I pay for to code what I need and bring it into a canvas for archiving/exploration when I need it.
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miguel-muniz
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Better results meaning it gets closer to what I had imagined in my mind or the design is subjectively better.
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Feels to me like a big issue that a smart competitor could take advantage of. I want to use my agent, I don't want to pay Figma to use their agent.
I'm also a bit salty about Figma ratcheting down hard on API calls, which creates customer service issues for any product that integrates with the Figma API. So maybe I am biased, but based on comments in here it also seems like the Figma MCP isn't very good either. Is Figma's long-term strategy to go full walled garden?
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I find it a huge distraction to ever draw anything in Figma now
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Highly recommend it. I think we should make a .well_known url for them or something, honestly.
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Then the whole thing is effectively useless because of server-side font licensing. Your expensive brand font cannot be used by the MCP so you then need an additional layer of client-side Figma plugins to replace the placeholder font with your real font.
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I know figma has a strong fanbase and companies are all rolling their own "post-trained" models for their built-in AI, and figma is a great product, but the fact frontier models can basically do in html what figma does in it's intermediary format sort of point to where the chips will land in terms of what you will need to use figma for in a few iterations.
I haven't used canva in 6+ months either for the same reason and I don't think either's userbases are growing honestly.
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I know Dylan Field recently posted they made the Llama's 70B model do amazing things but the AI training field is an absolute snake pit.
But then again they have money to burn ig.
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Fine-tuning an open-source LLM with reinforcement learning in order for it to be better at a specific task does not go against the bitter lesson at all.
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That's fair because I am stretching it.
I think there's AI companies that understand and scale AI. Then there's the rest that are doing a modern version of writing domain specific knowledge using skills, and maybe a large collection of their own data.
Maybe these focused models outperform in their own niche similar to how hand-written rules outperformed in their own niches. But long-term, they get outpaced quickly by generalized approaches.
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Easier to maintain, scale, and can use most of the components of the design system directly if you're doing web.
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Bitter lesson, etc, and training an entire VLM to prevent text overlap seems a bit much, especially since GPT 6.* /Claude 5.*'s vision are good enough that it rarely ever happens for me, and if they do make a mistake, it's generally a 5 minute fix?
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Figma's current AI Agent is essentially useless, especially when compared to these other tools. Not sure what effect the work in this post will have, but even if it's great I feel that designers have already left Figma and are working elsewhere.
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Figma has consistently done better than most at nailing the UX. Maybe I'm enough of a generalist that it always feels great to me, and super specialists lament the lack of their super special needs being met (genuinely, a valid gripe for the specialists).
I've tinkered with Figma AI, and it's just good enough to keep me tinkering. It's not creating magic yet, and it's certainly not outpacing claude design to the point where I always pick figma.
I am enthusiastically optimistic that Figma will push the UX on agentic design to where I come to figma every day again.
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Its surprising to me that the market is still stuck on SaaSpocalypse not noticing that these companies have pivoted hard in an impressive and revenue generating way
Its to the point where their consumer facing products are a sideshow and distraction, but thats what people are familiar
They’re selling tokens just line all AI forms, with huge enterprise commitment payments up front
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The cost of Figmas tokens was a frequent source of consternation at my prior engagement, and this was with a company that gave anybody $750/mo in Cursor credits if they asked nicely and filled out a form. Figma is also facing competition from Claude Design as well as other design tools that have a much cheaper price per seat, and allow you to BYOM. I wouldn't be surprised to see enterprises support a design tool switch if a lead showed how much money the company would save by switching away from Figma to something else.
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Claude Design isn’t going to change a corporation’s workflow, an individual contributor isn’t going to cause a workflow change in their own department and especially not another department. Management operates their department in a silo. The outside consultancy driving the executive’s desired AI transformation will. Figma/Adobe/Canva are operating there, and not just coming in with their own software. They just steer things in the direction of also burning tokens.
They’re doing workflow automations not really so vendor locked.
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2.) You can use any agent with Figma
3.) You can use any agent with not-Figma
I used to really respect Figma's engineering team and have been blown away by the degree to which they've dropped the ball with AI.
All they need is to expose their existing API very well over MCP and give a "screenshot" feature agents can utilize and the agents are good to go.